Elias and John!

Elias and John!

Here is the actual case of reincarnation that Jesus very plainly pointed out.

Start with Mal. 4:5 I will send you Elijah the prophet...(Elijah is the greek spelling for Elias)

Elijah's, (Elias's ) life time is recorded in 1 Kings 17:1 through 2 Kings 2:11 when he was taken to Heaven by a chariot of fire. He lived as a man, and as a prophet, at one time he was fed by birds, Ravens, he was God's faithful servant, and through God, could heal the sick, and raise the dead, and cause the rain and dew to cease, until he gave the command.

Now let us fast forward to Mark 1:2 Behold, I send my messenger before thy face. Now John the baptist is concieved and born, see Luke 1:5 - 17 And he shall go before him in the Spirit and power of Elias The angel instructs the Father Zacharias to call the baby's name John (the baptist) so Elias was born again, only this time his name is John, still not convinced, read on.

Mt 11: 12-14 For all the prophets and the law prophesied unto John. 14. And if ye will receive it, this IS Elias, which was for to come. 15. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Indeed, what could be plainer spoken)

Mt 17:10 - 14 And his disciples asked him , saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them,Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

This discussion occurred after John had been beheaded. (These verses are again repeated in Mk 9: 11 - 13 Also see Lk 1:17 and Lk 7:27

Compare the lifetimes of Elias, and John; notice how Elias caused the rain and dew to cease, and I imagine a lot of people went hungry, they may have had to eat only locust and wild honey, just as John later ate himself, in a very dry desert. Also Elias had the Idol worshipping priests, beheaded, and as John, he was also beheaded.

In John 1:21, John is asked if he is Elias, he deny's it, but considering that we can't for the most part recall our past lives, and that he was, at that point in time, really John, and not Elias; so he indeed was telling the truth. Jesus had a greater knowledge of the whole plan of creation.

John 3:5 - 6. Look on it again, hopefully with new eyes; "Except a man be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." A baby is encased in a bag of "water's" before birth, and the water could refer to baptism, and if you take away my body, what you have left is my spirit. Being born again of the spirit is reincarnating, and baptism I believe, is a symbol of reincarnating, when you are baptised, you come out of the water feeling clean and new, but when you are litterly born again, you ARE a New Creature

Here is another confusing verse, until we look more closely....."It is appointed unto man, once to die, and after that the judgement". Heb.9:27 Yes if we can either live perfect or pay for our deeds,good or bad, all in one lifetime, thus fulfilling the law of karma, we don't need to come back. Reincarnation IS THE JUDGEMENT.

The disciples indeed understood reincarnation, when they asked Jesus "Who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was BORN blind." John 9:2 Again, how can one sin before birth?